CY-Sieve GPU-Phase Findings (2026-06-22, COMPLETE)
Status: complete. The quality gate returned a NEGATIVE result (KILL). On real
WikiText-2, trained from scratch, CY-Sieve's positional bias is +10.15% worse
than the best baseline at the training context — past the >5% kill threshold. The
kernel is correct (§4 PASS) and its memory claim is confirmed (§6, 8192× less
bias HBM), but the positional scheme fails its quality gate and is reported as a
negative result, not shipped — exactly as tests.md requires. Raw artifacts:
4_ai_hardware_attention/gpu_phase_runs/run3_20260622_*.
Hardware: NVIDIA L4 (24 GB), PyTorch 2.9.1+cu129, Triton 3.5.1, project SocrateAI.
Driver: run_gpu_phase.py → tests.md §4 (parity) / §5 (quality) / §6 (perf).
§4 — Kernel correctness: PASS (final)
The Triton CY-Sieve kernel (cy_sieve_triton.py) reproduces the CPU reference
(cy_sieve_attention.flash_sdpa_with_bias, itself ~3e-16 from dense softmax) to
within FP16 tolerance (rel-err < 2⁻⁸): 4/4 tests passed across
(L, D, τ) ∈ {(128,64,20), (256,64,128), (256,128,480)} + a smoke test.
Reading. The fused GPU path — online-softmax with the per-distance bias
(Tier-1 exact INT64 table + Tier-3 log penalty) generated inside the kernel —
computes the same attention as the dense reference. The on-the-fly bias is
implemented correctly; downstream measurements test the design, not a bug.
(block_n=32, num_stages=1 keep SMEM under the L4's ~100 KB.)
§6 — Performance: core memory claim holds; latency claim does not (final)
L4, D=64, fp16, τ=128, causal (run 1 measured 1K–16K before an OOM at 32768², now guarded):
| L | CY-Sieve (ms) | dense SDPA (ms) | table-bias SDPA (ms) | bias-HBM reduction |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1024 | 0.055 | 0.054 | 0.060 | 512× |
| 2048 | 0.105 | 0.053 | 0.116 | 1024× |
| 4096 | 0.260 | 0.060 | 0.268 | 2048× |
| 8192 | 1.084 | 0.288 | 0.805 | 4096× |
| 16384 | 4.156 | 1.016 | 3.938 | 8192× |
| 32768 | 15.28 | 2.51 | (skipped: >VRAM) | 16384× |
(run-3 numbers; the materialized-table baseline is skipped at 32768 because its [L,L] tensor exceeds the VRAM budget — itself a demonstration of the O(L²) wall that CY-Sieve's O(L) bias avoids.)
- ✅ Bias-path HBM — the central thesis — confirmed and measured. CY-Sieve's positional bias reads O(L) bytes (a length-L vector from the recurrence) vs O(L²) for a materialized bias table: 8192× less at L=16384 (64 KB vs 512 MB), and the gap widens with context length.
- ❌ Not yet a wall-clock win. The current (unfused) Triton kernel is ~4× slower
than fused dense SDPA at 16K (4.16 vs 1.02 ms) and ~6× at 32K (15.3 vs 2.5 ms),
only matching the table-bias SDPA. The HBM saving is real but not yet converted
into latency — cuDNN's SDPA is far more tuned. Reported as-is per the
tests.mdT6.3 honesty guard; speed is never presented without this caveat. - Moot given §5: with §5 = KILL, T6.3 forbids presenting these speed/HBM numbers as a contribution at all. They are recorded as engineering measurements only.
Net: the win is memory traffic at long context, not raw speed. The case is for bandwidth-bound / very-long-context regimes; turning the HBM saving into time requires fusing the bias deeper into the FlashAttention loop.
§5 — Quality gate: KILL (negative result) (final, real WikiText-2)
The decisive test, done the only honest way — train small GPTs from scratch,
identical arch/data/compute, one per scheme — on real WikiText-2
(Salesforce/wikitext), byte-level. Validation perplexity at the training context
(512) and at 2×/4× extrapolation:
| scheme | @512 (train) | @1024 (2×) | @2048 (4×) |
|---|---|---|---|
| learned-absolute | 4.22 | 12.10 | 20.82 |
| ALiBi | 10.74 | 11.73 | 11.35 |
| sliding-window | 4.99 | 5.07 | 5.03 |
| CY-Sieve τ-ladder | 11.33 | 12.31 | 12.05 |
| CY-Sieve τ=20 | 16.02 | 16.81 | 16.49 |
| CY-Sieve τ=128 | 6.80 | 7.12 | 7.00 |
| CY-Sieve τ=512 | 4.65 | 6.08 | 10.62 |
Verdict: KILL. Best baseline (learned-absolute) = 4.22; best CY-Sieve (τ=512) = 4.65 → +10.15%, well past the >5% kill threshold. CY-Sieve as designed does not meet the quality bar.
Honest reading:
- The "great extrapolation" seen earlier was an artifact of the trivially-memorized synthetic corpus (ppl≈1.0 everywhere — a bug, since fixed). On real text the picture inverts.
- Sliding-window is the clear winner here — 4.99 essentially flat across 512→2048 (best extrapolation and near-best train ppl). A plain local window beats every CY-Sieve variant.
- CY-Sieve exposes a real tension: the geometry-fixed steep decay (log λ=3.762) is too aggressive — no single τ gives both good absolute quality and stable extrapolation. τ=512 is best at the train context but degrades 4.65→10.62 at 4×; τ=128 is stable but +61% worse than the baseline; the τ-ladder meant to resolve this lands at ~11–12 (poor on both axes).
- This is a genuine negative result for the positional scheme, reported per the project's own rules. The HBM advantage (§6) is real but irrelevant if quality fails — a fast kernel that hurts the model is a failed kernel.
What this does NOT kill: §4 correctness and the §6 O(L)-vs-O(L²) HBM property stand on their own. The negative is specifically about this bias function as a drop-in positional scheme. See "Improvement directions" below.
Improvement directions (post-KILL)
The kill is informative, not terminal — it points at specific, testable fixes:
- Decouple the slope from the geometry. logλ=3.762 is the growth rate of S₂₀, but there's no law that the best attention slope equals it. Treat the per-head slope as a learnable/tunable parameter initialized from the geometry, à la learnable-ALiBi — the geometry sets the prior, not the value.
- Hybrid with a local window. Sliding-window won; combine an exact local window (Tier 1, which CY-Sieve already has) with a much gentler long-range tail, instead of one steep curve everywhere.
- Re-examine the β=2 log-curvature contribution separately from the linear slope — ablate whether the log term helps or hurts at these lengths.
- Only then is the O(L) HBM advantage worth re-claiming — and only if a redesigned bias clears the +5% gate.
Reproducibility
pip install -r 4_ai_hardware_attention/requirements-gpu.txt
python 4_ai_hardware_attention/run_gpu_phase.py # §4 + §5 + §6 → one JSON
On GCP the same is driven unattended by 4_ai_hardware_attention/gcp_startup.sh
(an L4 that clones, runs, uploads to GCS, and self-terminates).